Why Jock [Archive] - The Lost Families of Stratherrick

REALMACTAVISH

08-12-2006, 12:24 PM

MAYBE YOU GIRLS CAN HELP MY RESEARCH (IM TIPPING PACKER FAST CAT TO SUPPLY THE ANSWERS) ; IVE BEEN CONSIDERING WHY U S ATHLETES ARE CALLED JOCKS?????????????? NOW AM I RIGHT IN ASSUMING ITS BECAUSE THEY WEAR JOCK STRAPS??? WHICH PROMPTS THE QUESTION- WHY ARE JOCK STRAPS SO CALLED????

packer71

08-12-2006, 02:52 PM

Fast Cat, TRUEMACTAVISH? I'll have to spend some time pondering that one.

Isn't a Jock a derogatory term the English call a Scotsman? Of course, on this side of the pond a Jock is an athlete.

Packer71

cathy

08-12-2006, 03:30 PM

I think it had something to do with the Athelic cup.....bike jock strap............

something like that!

REALMACTAVISH

08-12-2006, 03:37 PM

YES FAST CATS BUT WHY IS THE CUP CALLED A JOCKSTRAP?
JOCK CAN BE DEROGATORY BUT CAN ALSO BE GOOD.DEPENDS ON WHO AND HOW ITS SAID THE HIGHLAND SOLDIERS ARE GENERALLY KNOWN AS 'THE JOCKS' AND THE BLACK WATCH ARE COLOQUIALLY NAMED 'BLACK JOCKS'

REALMACTAVISH

08-12-2006, 03:40 PM

FAST CATS IS A PLEASNT TERM.IT MEANS GIRLS WHO LIKE TO ENJOY LIFE AND HAVE FUN BY THE WAY

packer71

08-12-2006, 09:13 PM

Bummer. I was hoping a fast cat was a fast cat....Cheetah.

Let's see, Jock Strap. I can't think of anything other than the Keeper of the Crown Jewels. Did jockeys wear them first?

Packer71...a bit baffled.

Graeme

08-13-2006, 06:52 AM

The name has nothing to do with us Jocks (Scots) directly. Jock in this case is old slang (perhaps of Scottish origin) for male genitals, and a strap is just that. And there is also a Jillstrap available in all good sports shops.

Now can somebody tell me about Jock's Itch? Is it anything to do with sporrans?

REALMACTAVISH

08-13-2006, 08:17 AM

jock's itch!!!!!!! you got me there graeme, never heard of it. it sounds unpleasant

cathy

08-13-2006, 09:35 AM

very unpleasant/.................usually the result of ...well an itch on those spots that men know best............................

Packer71, what you say about this!

Welcome Back Graeme.........................tell REALMACTAVISH about yourself.

Graeme comes from the Stratherrick area of Scotland, lots of information!

Graeme

08-13-2006, 10:25 AM

tell REALMACTAVISH about yourself./

Well, I spend a large part of the day rubbing Lamisil into my nether regions. :D

And I don't actually come from Stratherrick as such. On my father's side I am descended from a Symon Cameron from Boleskine and my mother's parents, called Macmillan, lived beside the hall in Gorthleck - my auntie still does. I'm from Huntly in Aberdeenshire but I spent all my school holidays in Stratherrick. I've cycled all over the area, fished a fair few lochs and have an original copy of the book.

In the days before the new hydro thingie I used to walk across Loch Mhor in the summer when it dried up and I remember the electricity coming in 1955 or thereabouts. My grandfather worked in the plant in Foyers and did a bit of ghillie work on the side, and sheep shearing and hedge trimming. Before the war he was a gamekeeper in Killin, where my mother and her sisters spent their summer holidays. He had a BSA Bantam motorbike and he used to take us all over the place on that - sometimes three up. No rozzers about to bother you then.

I also once climbed to the top of that mountain at the back of Garthbeg. I stopped to have a look at that scar near the top but couldn't work out what it was. 1966 I believe it was, when I was 17 and fit and still it was hard work.

I was never friendly with any MacTavishes though. Sorry.

REALMACTAVISH

08-13-2006, 11:31 AM

YOU MENTIONED THE MAGIC WORD.......FISHING .WE NEED TO TALK GRAEME!

cathy

08-13-2006, 01:34 PM

Never friendly with MacTavish.....well you are now Graeme.............and we welcome you!

Remember the fall of 2007, I sincerely, hope you will be at Dores with us!

Cathy

REALMACTAVISH

08-13-2006, 01:50 PM

AND BRING YOUR FISHING ROD - I'M PART OF A SYNDICATE WITH A FEW MILES OF RIVER FISHING RIGHTS!

cathy

08-13-2006, 02:38 PM

I just told my main squeze...man, husband...............about fishing, he can't wait to join you both, and no, he has never fished with pellets!

Cathy

Graeme

08-13-2006, 02:39 PM

Well now that's an offer I won't refuse! Which river are you talking about Realmactavish? One time I was on Loch Mhor with my grandfather (he had a wee green rowing boat) and in about an hour or so we caught so many rainbow trout that we were able to feed the village. Loch Ruthven was also a favourite and Loch Kemp. I was last fishing in Loch Killin in July and I caught absolutely nothing although the fish were there in abundance.

cathy

08-13-2006, 02:41 PM

by the way, in case you all have not figured this out, Packer71 is my sister,
younger sister, but I am the more beautiful sister.....won't get into the rest of the game she and I play with each other, too difficult to understand, without some sort of alcoholic beverage in hand..................

but she is dear to me, but I would never say it out loud!

Welcome my baby sister! ms. Packer71

Cathy

REALMACTAVISH

08-13-2006, 03:36 PM

DONT GET TOO EXCITED GRAEME. ITS ONE OF THE LESS PRODUCTIVE STRETCHES OF THE GRYFFE....TOO CLOSE TO GLASGOW AIRPORT.BUT...IT HAS ITS MOMENTS!

Graeme

08-13-2006, 04:02 PM

That's a bit out of the way for me but next time I'm about that area I'll give you a nudge. Normally when I'm in Scotland it's Aberdeen or Stratherrick.

All I know about Glasgow comes from River City. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/tv/rivercity/)

cathy

08-13-2006, 05:03 PM

Remember Graeme the fall of 2007, I think we will have REALMACTAVISH give us all fishing lessons!

Graeme

10-19-2006, 05:50 PM

Fishing's too easy. Will you all be doing this in Dores?
Highland Games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I9dg99ATnA)

migovie

10-20-2006, 02:01 AM

graeme , ive been thumbing thru my notes for quite some time and have yet to re locate this story...
BUT it went like this...
a very OLD paper had detAIled the area of stratherick. and the writer many many generations ago had spent some time detailing the area surrounding garthbeg...
what intrigued me was this fact...

he mentioned a mountain overlooking the garthbeg farm.....at the peak of this mountain was the remains of an old fortified structure ...he was writing of the remains of a fort and this story written generations ago
he described it as a fort and look-out defence for the area and this lay very close to the garthbeg home
AND THE FORTIFIED STRUCTURE WAS LOCALLY NAMED....
DUNADRIE..."???
WELL THE LOCALS WERE MACTAVISH...AND THE MACTAVISH HOMES OF GARTHBEG, STH MIGOVIE AND MIGOVIE ALL FARMED THE SAME BASIN OF LAND AT THE BASE OF THIS MOUNTAIN...THEY ALL SHARED THE SAME BLOCK OF FARMABLE LAND....THE DUNARDRY NAME A COINCIDENCE.?

the purpose of this fort was suggested a medieval "lookout" and he said evidence showed large pits were set up to enable fires to be lit to warn the farms below an enemy was approaching
were these ruins the remains of the place you climbed to.?

Graeme

10-20-2006, 04:56 AM

I think that you mean Dun Dearduil (http://www.caithness.org/caithnessfieldclub/bulletins/2004/historyoffoyers.htm) but that isn't overlooking Garthbeg, I'm afraid. It's a lot nearer to Foyers.
I've got photographs somewhere - but you know me with photographs - I might find them one day!
http://www.invernessfieldclub.btinternet.c...tratherrick. htm (http://www.invernessfieldclub.btinternet.co.uk/young/2003/Stratherrick.htm)

Here's a couple more interesting sites - some with vast amounts of reading - for you.

http://www.wku.edu/~smithch/wallace/S722-2.htm
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?In...Inverness.shtml (http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Inverness/Inverness.shtml)
http://www.whoownsscotland.org.uk/page_cache/in/migovie.htm.
http://cauldeenprimary.co.uk/secretlochnes...strath_home.htm (http://cauldeenprimary.co.uk/secretlochness/data/strath_home.htm)
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/shinty/

Graeme

10-20-2006, 05:29 AM

Here's (http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_072/72_044_055.pdf) an article describing vitrified forts in Scotland which you may find interesting.

There's an awful lot of good stuff on this site if you have an interest in Scottish history and a year or two to browse through it. Here's the main page of the Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland (http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/ARCHway/volumeSelector.cfm?rcn=1340).
To save you a bit of time I did two searches.
Search for Stratherrick (http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-39,GGLJ:en&q=stratherrick+site:ads%2eahds%2eac%2euk)
Search for Foyers (http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-39,GGLJ:en&q=foyers+site:ads%2eahds%2eac%2euk)

I undercoated the woodwork of my hallway yesterday and I was going to gloss it today. Not now I'm not!
I'm reading this instead.

cathy

10-20-2006, 06:44 AM

I think that you mean Dun Dearduil (http://www.caithness.org/caithnessfieldclub/bulletins/2004/historyoffoyers.htm) but that isn't overlooking Garthbeg, I'm afraid. It's a lot nearer to Foyers.
I've got photographs somewhere - but you know me with photographs - I might find them one day!
http://www.invernessfieldclub.btinternet.c...tratherrick. htm (http://www.invernessfieldclub.btinternet.co.uk/young/2003/Stratherrick.htm)

Here's a couple more interesting sites - some with vast amounts of reading - for you.

http://www.wku.edu/~smithch/wallace/S722-2.htm
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?In...Inverness.shtml (http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Inverness/Inverness.shtml)
http://www.whoownsscotland.org.uk/page_cache/in/migovie.htm.
http://cauldeenprimary.co.uk/secretlochnes...strath_home.htm (http://cauldeenprimary.co.uk/secretlochness/data/strath_home.htm)
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/shinty/
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thanks Graeme! I just took a quick look and these sites are wonderful, full of great history! I am looking forward to browsing them more completely this weekend! And I can not wait to meet you next fall!

Cathy