migovie
11-01-2008, 08:11 AM
ok ..lets set this story straight .
YES . mactavish of dunardry were a sept (feudal sept) of campbell.
docs prove this . land sassines and all docs re dunardry land xfr confirm this thru history ..it CANNOT be denied .
dunardry lands were held (as far back as written docs exist) but dunardry lands were passed father to son as a "FIEF" or "FIEFDOM" ..
and the REAL owner of dunardry was the DUKE OF ARGYLLE...
lands owned ,purchased and inherited under a "fiefdom" required the owner/occupier/purchaser to pledge loyalty to the TRU owner . and the owner of dunardry as far back as written docs held was the duke of argylle...this means that the dunardry mactavish were under full and total control of the duke of argylle. dunardrymactavish were HIS servants and army . FACT..
lets also make an important factual note at this point.
ALL ancient docs on record record the dunardy mactavish leader as "head" or chief or "head family" of the DUNARDRY mactavish ONLY..NEVEr on record as the head of mactavish or the mactavish chief.
prior to lachlans arms grant of 1793 the dunardry mactavish use of the words "of dunardry" simply and ONLY meant that the man was with that title had a right to inherit the home or house of his fathers "address" which was dunardry...dunardry as a "title" was awarded to the family of lachlan mactavish "legally" in 1793....and a doc signed by lachlans lawyer in 1812 proves this title and all that went with it was bequeathed to the family of simon mactavish of garthbeg. docs in scots archives for the next 20 years confirm simon mact and son were titled socially and legally "of dunardry"
the following is a legal define of a "fief' ....docs prove that dunardry was held as a fief under argylle....
these docs then prove 100% that dunardry mactavish were a sept of campbell...a feudal sept.....but the fact that dunardry lands tenure demanded mactavish to obey argylle and form part of argyles army and render EVERY little bit of taxes/levies and feudal obediance to argylle proves beyond any legal doubt that the present dunardry mactavish claims to superiority to campbell are 100% totla BULL S%%T and defy ALL docs held on record...
MEANWHILE AT GARTHBEG ...
the descendants of our clans proginator lived 'within a clan in equal status to that of dunardry' (direct quote from mathews doc on mactavish).
the mactavish who arrived at garthbeg from dunardry circa 1350 is reffered to as ...'a chief" ..again by dr mathews
WAS DUNARDRY A FIEF ?...YES
WHAT IS A FIEF ...??????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiefdom
Originally, the feudal institution of vassalage did not imply the giving/receiving of landholdings (which were granted only as a reward for loyalty), but by the eighth century the giving of a landholding was becoming standard. The granting of a landholding to a vassal did not relinquish the lord's property rights, but only the use of the lands and their income; the granting lord retained ultimate ownership of the fief and could, technically, recover the lands in case of disloyalty or death.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiefdom#cite_note-0) By the middle of the tenth century, fiefs had largely become hereditary.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiefdom#cite_note-1) Eventually, great feudal lords sought also to seize governmental and legal authority (the collection of taxes, the right of high justice, etc.) in their lands, and some passed these rights to their own vassals
and......
Under the system of feudalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism), a fiefdom, fief, feud, feoff, or fee, often consisted of inheritable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance) lands or revenue-producing property granted by a liege (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegiance) lord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord), generally to a vassal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal), in return for a form of allegiance, originally to give him the means to fulfill his military duties when called upon. However anything of value could be held in fief, such as an office, a right of exploitation (e.g., hunting, fishing) or any other type of revenue, rather than the land it comes from.
YES . mactavish of dunardry were a sept (feudal sept) of campbell.
docs prove this . land sassines and all docs re dunardry land xfr confirm this thru history ..it CANNOT be denied .
dunardry lands were held (as far back as written docs exist) but dunardry lands were passed father to son as a "FIEF" or "FIEFDOM" ..
and the REAL owner of dunardry was the DUKE OF ARGYLLE...
lands owned ,purchased and inherited under a "fiefdom" required the owner/occupier/purchaser to pledge loyalty to the TRU owner . and the owner of dunardry as far back as written docs held was the duke of argylle...this means that the dunardry mactavish were under full and total control of the duke of argylle. dunardrymactavish were HIS servants and army . FACT..
lets also make an important factual note at this point.
ALL ancient docs on record record the dunardy mactavish leader as "head" or chief or "head family" of the DUNARDRY mactavish ONLY..NEVEr on record as the head of mactavish or the mactavish chief.
prior to lachlans arms grant of 1793 the dunardry mactavish use of the words "of dunardry" simply and ONLY meant that the man was with that title had a right to inherit the home or house of his fathers "address" which was dunardry...dunardry as a "title" was awarded to the family of lachlan mactavish "legally" in 1793....and a doc signed by lachlans lawyer in 1812 proves this title and all that went with it was bequeathed to the family of simon mactavish of garthbeg. docs in scots archives for the next 20 years confirm simon mact and son were titled socially and legally "of dunardry"
the following is a legal define of a "fief' ....docs prove that dunardry was held as a fief under argylle....
these docs then prove 100% that dunardry mactavish were a sept of campbell...a feudal sept.....but the fact that dunardry lands tenure demanded mactavish to obey argylle and form part of argyles army and render EVERY little bit of taxes/levies and feudal obediance to argylle proves beyond any legal doubt that the present dunardry mactavish claims to superiority to campbell are 100% totla BULL S%%T and defy ALL docs held on record...
MEANWHILE AT GARTHBEG ...
the descendants of our clans proginator lived 'within a clan in equal status to that of dunardry' (direct quote from mathews doc on mactavish).
the mactavish who arrived at garthbeg from dunardry circa 1350 is reffered to as ...'a chief" ..again by dr mathews
WAS DUNARDRY A FIEF ?...YES
WHAT IS A FIEF ...??????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiefdom
Originally, the feudal institution of vassalage did not imply the giving/receiving of landholdings (which were granted only as a reward for loyalty), but by the eighth century the giving of a landholding was becoming standard. The granting of a landholding to a vassal did not relinquish the lord's property rights, but only the use of the lands and their income; the granting lord retained ultimate ownership of the fief and could, technically, recover the lands in case of disloyalty or death.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiefdom#cite_note-0) By the middle of the tenth century, fiefs had largely become hereditary.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiefdom#cite_note-1) Eventually, great feudal lords sought also to seize governmental and legal authority (the collection of taxes, the right of high justice, etc.) in their lands, and some passed these rights to their own vassals
and......
Under the system of feudalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism), a fiefdom, fief, feud, feoff, or fee, often consisted of inheritable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance) lands or revenue-producing property granted by a liege (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegiance) lord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord), generally to a vassal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal), in return for a form of allegiance, originally to give him the means to fulfill his military duties when called upon. However anything of value could be held in fief, such as an office, a right of exploitation (e.g., hunting, fishing) or any other type of revenue, rather than the land it comes from.