migovie
04-18-2004, 04:20 AM
to put everything simply and in basic form.......if you are a mactavish/mctavish and now live in New Zealand or Australia your ancestors stem from either Dunardry or Stratherrick. The Mactavish clan was small in number....a mid 1800s census shows the Argylle mactavish totalling around 250 and the Stratherrick 180.....so your family line is relatively easy to trace...even simpler when you realise the Stratherrick Mactavish fled from Argylle around 1400....we have an unbroken line of succession at Garthbeg going back to the arrival of "tavish the great" in 1400 up to Simon Mactavish who applied for arms in 1794 as "simon mactavish gartbeg"...and later became Simon Mactavish Dunardry ....and this title was inherited by his sons...who both died without heirs .
Stratherrick was settled in 1400 by the surviving son of the mactavish chief of dunardry( detailed in mathews doc. on gartbeg and confirmed by simon mactavish grant of arms in 1794)... it is stated a fight broke out between the 2 sons of this chief around 1400....the elder was slain and the survivor ....Tavish Mhor....left with a band of followeres and settled in Stratherrick....
Its obvious his departure pretty much split the mactavish clan in 2 ......and this legendary fight appears to have occured around the same time as the destruction of the legendary Mactavish castle at Dunardry. This event has puzzled me as I find no other clan having legend of this dunardry castle destruction .....and this would be a prized legend to retain within any clan......the backbone of any clans structure was "legends of victory"....why is there no record of this event ?.. the destruction of a castle would be right at the top of any clans important legend and clan story.
Does any neighboring clan have legend of any battle fought in their backyard between the mactavish and some other clan and this battle resulting in the total destruction of the mactavish clans home and castle.( and had this occured the campbell clan would certainly have knowledge/legend as they would be needing to keep aggresive clans from becoming their neighbors.......)
my suggestion is that perhaps this legendary fight between the mactavish chiefs 2 sons was far more than an "angered brawl.".....
Perhaps this fight did really divide the clan in 2 and perhaps this fight destroyed the castle from a dispute within.???.............
we are looking for legend of some victorious clan winning a battle against the mactavish and destroying their home and castle....without this legend surfacing ...it leaves the most likely scenario as being a huge internal struggle within the clan and this would probably be that documented fight between the chiefs 2 sons....and the subsequent documented division of the clan.....this would explain the dunardry mactavish dispersion into surrounding districts in argylle and also the departure of the victorious chiefs son to stratherrick with those clansman who must have 100% believed in him and his motives for the fight.....had this fight been a simple drunken brawl Tavish mhor would be out on his own and certainly no other mactavish clansmen would follow him into the unkown wilds of scotland .
My suggestion is the dunardry mactavish dispersed because their home was now destroyed and tavish mhor departed with the balance of the clan to settle in stratherrick for the same reasons....
Stratherrick was settled in 1400 by the surviving son of the mactavish chief of dunardry( detailed in mathews doc. on gartbeg and confirmed by simon mactavish grant of arms in 1794)... it is stated a fight broke out between the 2 sons of this chief around 1400....the elder was slain and the survivor ....Tavish Mhor....left with a band of followeres and settled in Stratherrick....
Its obvious his departure pretty much split the mactavish clan in 2 ......and this legendary fight appears to have occured around the same time as the destruction of the legendary Mactavish castle at Dunardry. This event has puzzled me as I find no other clan having legend of this dunardry castle destruction .....and this would be a prized legend to retain within any clan......the backbone of any clans structure was "legends of victory"....why is there no record of this event ?.. the destruction of a castle would be right at the top of any clans important legend and clan story.
Does any neighboring clan have legend of any battle fought in their backyard between the mactavish and some other clan and this battle resulting in the total destruction of the mactavish clans home and castle.( and had this occured the campbell clan would certainly have knowledge/legend as they would be needing to keep aggresive clans from becoming their neighbors.......)
my suggestion is that perhaps this legendary fight between the mactavish chiefs 2 sons was far more than an "angered brawl.".....
Perhaps this fight did really divide the clan in 2 and perhaps this fight destroyed the castle from a dispute within.???.............
we are looking for legend of some victorious clan winning a battle against the mactavish and destroying their home and castle....without this legend surfacing ...it leaves the most likely scenario as being a huge internal struggle within the clan and this would probably be that documented fight between the chiefs 2 sons....and the subsequent documented division of the clan.....this would explain the dunardry mactavish dispersion into surrounding districts in argylle and also the departure of the victorious chiefs son to stratherrick with those clansman who must have 100% believed in him and his motives for the fight.....had this fight been a simple drunken brawl Tavish mhor would be out on his own and certainly no other mactavish clansmen would follow him into the unkown wilds of scotland .
My suggestion is the dunardry mactavish dispersed because their home was now destroyed and tavish mhor departed with the balance of the clan to settle in stratherrick for the same reasons....