migovie
04-19-2008, 02:54 AM
culloden ?
the garthbeg mactavish fought this battle and nearly every male member of fighting age from the homes of garthbeg . sth migovie , migovie fought . Docs prove their entry to the battle under the "muster role" .
we also know that the mactavish "head" of garthbeg or chief was hunted down for decades after this battle >
John mactavish of garthbeg had a death warrant hanging over his head for his rallying of his mactavish clansmen .
the Garthbeg Mactavish fought for fraser chief who was their "feudal lord" . meaning they had no option. The very leases they purchased demanded they fight for the fraser chief at his call whenever needed.
Had mactavish of garthbeg refused, their farms and lease would be forfeited . This demand was known as a "feu contract" and was a normal part of leases etc .
The Dunardry Mactavish held the dunardry lands under the same contract of feu. This same demand was pledged that they HAD to fight for their feudal lord.
Now if ANY dunardry mactavish actually attended the culloden battle they would be morally and legally bound by contract of feu to fight for their feudal chief...who was THE DUKE OF ARGYLLE.
So either dunardry mactavish didnt fight or if they did they fought for the campbells.
Had they refused they would have their lands forfeited for breach of the feu contract with argylle.
other mactavish that lived in argylle and held lands under feu to other chiefs would have fought the battle for that particular chief...
BUT without a doubt...any mactavish actually living and farming dunardry soils was demanded without question to fight for argylle.
Check land sassines and feu contracts regarding dunardry tenure for yourselves there is no question.
Due to the dunardry chief deing imprisoned for treason at time of culloden we have yet another more plausable explanation for events.
In this case duke of argylle would have considered the dunardry mactavish "untrustworthy and without their leader , in which case he would have elected to not include them in his troops.
Again there were other mactavish farming lands in argylle that were held by feu to other chiefs..
.in this case we may have seen a very small number of argylle mactavish fight for various other chiefs...
but NOT one dunardry mactavish .
NO dunardry mactavish from dunardry lands fought at culloden . Its a wonderfull idea. and today the dunardry family desperately wish to attach themselves to that battle.
I can state without doubt they never fought , and if they had they would have been compelled to fight for campbell.
i can state there may well be a handful of argylle mactavish who did fight , but this was a demand by their own feudal chief and had nothing to do with the dunardry clan or chief.
The only clansmen who are documented to have entered this fateful battle were the mactavish of garthbeg.
Docs prove their attendance and death warrants issued after the battle again prove the garthbeg mactavish role.
It may interest some of you to note that there is leading doc evidence that suggests that directly after the battle , bonnie prince charles was assisted out thru the very lands and homes of garthbeg and surrounds.
Whilst back at dunardry the mactavish men simply milked the cows and tended the sheep instead of fighting .
I understand some of you have contributed cash to the proposal of a memorial stone being erected in memory of the mactavish who fought at culloden.
WONDERFUL.
except
IF such clan matters are to be organised , such events have to be based on documented facts.
The facts are that the Mactavish of Garthbeg were at culloden
The facts are there are no facts or docs that prove dunardry mactavish fought. AT ALL
The facts are you have contributed funds ,,
so where is the stone ? and where is the money you gave.
Any such stone should , if correct < state the facts
"THIS STONE IS ERECTED IN MEMORY OF THE GARTHBEG MACTAVISH WHO FOUGHT AT CULLODEN"
anything else is fraud and based on hope and want and no facts whatsover.
the garthbeg mactavish fought this battle and nearly every male member of fighting age from the homes of garthbeg . sth migovie , migovie fought . Docs prove their entry to the battle under the "muster role" .
we also know that the mactavish "head" of garthbeg or chief was hunted down for decades after this battle >
John mactavish of garthbeg had a death warrant hanging over his head for his rallying of his mactavish clansmen .
the Garthbeg Mactavish fought for fraser chief who was their "feudal lord" . meaning they had no option. The very leases they purchased demanded they fight for the fraser chief at his call whenever needed.
Had mactavish of garthbeg refused, their farms and lease would be forfeited . This demand was known as a "feu contract" and was a normal part of leases etc .
The Dunardry Mactavish held the dunardry lands under the same contract of feu. This same demand was pledged that they HAD to fight for their feudal lord.
Now if ANY dunardry mactavish actually attended the culloden battle they would be morally and legally bound by contract of feu to fight for their feudal chief...who was THE DUKE OF ARGYLLE.
So either dunardry mactavish didnt fight or if they did they fought for the campbells.
Had they refused they would have their lands forfeited for breach of the feu contract with argylle.
other mactavish that lived in argylle and held lands under feu to other chiefs would have fought the battle for that particular chief...
BUT without a doubt...any mactavish actually living and farming dunardry soils was demanded without question to fight for argylle.
Check land sassines and feu contracts regarding dunardry tenure for yourselves there is no question.
Due to the dunardry chief deing imprisoned for treason at time of culloden we have yet another more plausable explanation for events.
In this case duke of argylle would have considered the dunardry mactavish "untrustworthy and without their leader , in which case he would have elected to not include them in his troops.
Again there were other mactavish farming lands in argylle that were held by feu to other chiefs..
.in this case we may have seen a very small number of argylle mactavish fight for various other chiefs...
but NOT one dunardry mactavish .
NO dunardry mactavish from dunardry lands fought at culloden . Its a wonderfull idea. and today the dunardry family desperately wish to attach themselves to that battle.
I can state without doubt they never fought , and if they had they would have been compelled to fight for campbell.
i can state there may well be a handful of argylle mactavish who did fight , but this was a demand by their own feudal chief and had nothing to do with the dunardry clan or chief.
The only clansmen who are documented to have entered this fateful battle were the mactavish of garthbeg.
Docs prove their attendance and death warrants issued after the battle again prove the garthbeg mactavish role.
It may interest some of you to note that there is leading doc evidence that suggests that directly after the battle , bonnie prince charles was assisted out thru the very lands and homes of garthbeg and surrounds.
Whilst back at dunardry the mactavish men simply milked the cows and tended the sheep instead of fighting .
I understand some of you have contributed cash to the proposal of a memorial stone being erected in memory of the mactavish who fought at culloden.
WONDERFUL.
except
IF such clan matters are to be organised , such events have to be based on documented facts.
The facts are that the Mactavish of Garthbeg were at culloden
The facts are there are no facts or docs that prove dunardry mactavish fought. AT ALL
The facts are you have contributed funds ,,
so where is the stone ? and where is the money you gave.
Any such stone should , if correct < state the facts
"THIS STONE IS ERECTED IN MEMORY OF THE GARTHBEG MACTAVISH WHO FOUGHT AT CULLODEN"
anything else is fraud and based on hope and want and no facts whatsover.