Fudging Clan History

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PATRICK xxxxx STATED HE WAS PREPARED TO "FUDGE" MACTAVISH CLAN HISTORY IN ORDER TO EARN MORE DOLLARS FOR THE CLAN..

THIS IS NOT AN ALLEGATION. IT IS FACT.

THE WORD "FUDGING" COMES FROM HIS OWN EMAIL. PATRICK MADE THE STATEMENT HIMSELF.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THE WORDS "FUDGER AND LIAR" ATTACHED TO PATRICK xxxxx NAME , YOU NOW HAVE THE EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU

HERE IS THE EMAIL WRITTEN BY PATRICK xxxxxx

HERE IS HIS OWN ADMISSION TO BE WILLING TO FABRICATE HISTORY.

PATRICK WRITES.......


Original Message -----
From: Patrick xxxxx
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: The History of Clan MacTavish


Tom,

As President you need to be aware that I have several chapters of the Clan MacTavish Hisotry commiteed to CD.

If at all possible, we need to find what there is left of the Papers that Dugald had to complete it, or we have to do some fudging
to get it done. We can earn bucks for the clan if we put this to print.

Patrick xxxxx
Clan MacTavish ID# 376


SO I ASSURE ALL READERS THAT YES THE DOCS ARE AVAILABLE THAT PROVE EVERYTHING WE STATE.

OH AND PATRICK ..NO ...YOU WONT BE GETTING A COPY OF THE CLARE CONSTAT .

I HAVE PROOF THAT EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH VISITED LOCH GILPHEAD ARCHIVES AND ATTEMPTED TO DESTROY ALL PAPERWORK THAT PROVED SIMON WAS DISPONED THE CHIEFSHIP.

EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH ADMITTED HE "STOLE DOCUMENTS" FROM SCOTS ARCHIVES.

##EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH ORIGINAL ARMS APPLICATION WAS HELD UP AS LYONS DEMANDED HE
## RESOLVE THE QUESTION REGARDING SIMON BEING DISPONED THE DUNARDRY CHIEFLY ARMS. ###
(LYONS LETTER TO DUGALD 23RD APRIL 1997)

YOULL NOTE , PATRICK , THAT IN THIS LETTER LYONS DID NOT STATE THIS DISPONING EVENT COULD NEVER HAPPEN

(SO WHY DO YOU) .?

LYONS DIDNT FIND THE WORD "DISPONING" USED IN ERROR. WHY DO YOU ?

LYONS DIDNT STATE THE EVENT NEVER OCCURED COS THEY THOUGHT ANOTHER WORD COULD DESCRIBE IT BETTER. WHY DO YOU ?

EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH DID NOT RESOLVE IT APART FROM STATING HED ATTEMPTED TO FIND SUCH DOCS AND COULDNT. ?

EDWARD DUGALD MACT ATTEMPTS INCLUDED A VISIT TO LOCH GILPHEAD ARCHIVES .

HE SIGNED IN TO VIEW MACTAVISH PAPERS AND STOLE ALL HE COULD FIND THAT DEFINED THE DISPONING .

BUT.....AND THANKFULLY BUT....THE FOOL MISSED THE COPY OF THE CLARE CONSTAT .

NOW PATRICK ...YOU CONTINUALLY WRITE THAT YOU DONT BELIVE THE CLARE CONSTAT PROVES ANYTHING....

WELL PATRICK...YOU PUBLISH YOUR COPY...

YOU PUBLISH WHAT YOU HOLD OF THE CLARE CONSTAT AND ITS CONTENT

OH....THATS RIGHT...YOU ACTUALLY DONT HAVE A COPY AND YOUVE NEVER SEEN A COPY....

WELL ...WHAT AN IDIOTIC MAN YOU ARE TO ENTER DISCUSSIONS AND GIVE YOUR CLAN FACTS ABOUT A DOCUMENT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN...

SHOWS WHAT A FOOL YOU ARE DOESNT IT..QUITE A POLITICIAN THO PATRICK..

AND ABOUT AS TRUSTWORTHY

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now lets discuss "disponing" or 'abdication"..hmmmm

ok...the two events produce the same result. perhaps.?

lets look at facts.

John w mactavish was an uncle of edward dugald mactavish.

Lyons invited this John W Mactavish to apply for the arms of lachlan mactavish . This request was made via a letter 17th may 1951. This letter was written due to a fumbled research by a mrs macleod . Mrs macleod simply found j w mactavish to be a descendant of lachlan .

She was not aware that lachlans family lawyer and the duke of argylle in 1812 signed a legal binding document that declared lachlans full arms and titles to now be in family of simon mactavish garthbeg. This document states that simon mactvaish was "formerly known as armiger of dunardry" and that now his son "william mactavish is known as armiger of dunardry"

mrs macleod did find lachlans ancestor and the mess continued from that date.


NOW....John w mactavish replied stating he "refused" the offer...this letter was an "official written abdication" ...

Lyons then asked jw mactavish to reconsider and stated he could, alternatively dispone the chiefship to another person if he wished. All he needed to do was complete a letter of request > He didnt. Which means as fact he was never chief due to his written refusal to take that role. The fact he refused to nominate someone to dipone his title means that no person legally held the right to then apply for chiefship as HIS descendant or relation. Legally he was NEVER chief. so no right of descent should be established from this man .

John w Mactavish REFUSED to accept the invite to apply for arms..1950 and 1951...

REFUSAL .......>>>>>>>>>>>>....SO HE WASNT EVER CHIEF.

This means in legal; terms he never at any stage held the arms.

What he needed to do was , at this stage elect a subsitute ....he didnt.

Why dont you document this fact patrick ...???...a VERY conveniant ommision eh...

Oh and lets look at patricks statement that john mactavish refused this all "due to the expense"

hmmmmm

well patrick....you either cant read.. or cant understand the docs in front of you...

Lyons actually invited mr john mactavish to apply and stated the 'clan should pay for the matriculation costs"

Then they offered a "discount "price of matriculation of 15 pounds ......WOW...the cost either to be paid by the clan or reduced from 350 pound to 15 pound as a 'special discount"...and patrick you state he refused due to the cost.?...he was also further offered the right to apply for a lesser matriculation at a cost of $5.50 ...he refused...

he also stated then that he could see no need as there were no lands or castle so nothing to warrant being chief over..

This sounds familiar doesnt it?

this is the same set of reasons sherrif dugald mustve considered. Why should sherrif inherit lachlans arms when dunardry lands where now in the hands of simon mactavish of gartbeg. So sherrif decided it was just too much effort being " chief of nothing" and gave the chiefly titles to simon mactavish who now was laird of dunardry .

hmmmm....why dont you quote these facts from lyons letter of 17th may 1951?

AND ...why dont you offer explanation to this fact..

JUST HOW DOES EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH ACHIEVE THE RIGHTS TO SUCCESION TO ARMS FROM AN UNCLE JOHN MACTAVISH WHO ACTAULLY ABDICATED ...?

JOHN MACTAVISH NEVER HELD THE ARMS ...

NOR THE RIGHTS TO ARMS ...

NOR DID HE ACCEPT THAT RIGHT...

HE NEVER NOMINATED EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH AS A SUCCESOR OF CHOICE.

EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH HAD NO RIGHTS TO THE INHERIT THE ARMS FROM A MAN WHO REFUSED TO TAKE THEM DID HE..

BUT , OF COURSE YOU HAVE KNOWN THIS PATRICK....FROM THE START...

AND , OF COURSE YOU HAVE KNOWN THAT LYONS WROTE TO EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH AND DEMANDED HE RESOLVE THE SITUATION OF SIMON MACTAVISH BEING GIVEN THE CHIEFLY RIGHTS.

EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH MADE EXTENSIVE ENQUIRIES INTO THE SIMON MACTAVISH STORY AND THE GARTHBEG RIGHTS....FROM 1973 ONWARDS.

ONE OF EDWARD DUGALDS HIRED RESEARCHES WROTE TO HIM AND INFORMED HIM SIMON MACTAVISH WANTED TO BE CHIEF AND INDEED SIMON MACTAVISH RETURNED TO SCOTLAND AFTER LACHLANS DEATH AND BECAME CHIEF...WHY DONT YOU QUOTE THIS FACT PATRICK .? YOU HAVE THE PAPERS IN FRONT OF YOU

I CONTACTED EDWARD DUGALD MACTAVISH IN 2001 AND HE STATED HE KNEW NOTHING OF GARTHBEG MACTAVISH AND INDEED NOTHING OF SIMON MACTAVISH....

WHAT A CROCK OF "SH##t"

THIS IS AS MISLEADING AS EDWARD DUGALDS RESIDENTAIL ADDRESS AS SUPPLIED TO LYONS AT TIME OF MATRICULATION. NO HE DIDNT LIVE IN LOCH GILPHEAD, AND CERTAINLY NOT AT THE ADDRESS THAT APPEARS ON THE ARMS GRANT AWARDED HIM. THIS ADDRESS IS AN EMPTY PADDOCK, USED FOR SHEEP GRAZING. NEVER LIVED UPON BY ANYONE. AND THE FARMER WHO OWNS THIS PADDOCK ATTESTED TO THAT FACT...OH WELL .

EDWARD DUGALD HAD BEEN INVESTIGATING GARTHBEG AND INDEED SIMON SINCE 1973...HE FEARED ANYONE FROM THE GARTHBEG LINEAGE BECAUSE HE KNEW ONE DAY IT WOULD UNSTITCH HIS TAPESTRY OF LIES ...

NOT LONG TO GO NOW...THE LAST PAPERWORK IS BEING PREPARED TO SETTLE THIS ALL.

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HMMM ...JUST HOW ACCURATE IS THIS DOCUMENT SIGNED BY J FERRIER IN 1812 AND STAMPED BY THE DUKE OF ARGYLLE IN EDINBURGH BY THE SEAL OF SCOTLAND SAME YEAR?

AS YOU ALL KNOW IT STATES CLEARLY AND WITHOUT QUESTION THAT THE ARMS OF LACHLAN MACTAVISH ARE NOW IN POSSESION OF SIMON MACTAVISH .

WAS J FERRIER A MAN WHO COULD BE BEYOND DOUBT AND QUESTION RE THIS ALL?

OF COURSE....THE LAW FIRM OF FERRIER AND SONS WERE ACTUALLY THE FAMILY LAW FIRM OF LACHLAN MACTAVISH GOING BACK TO ACTUALLY BEING TRUSTEES TO LACHLANS DUNARDRY SALE AND BEYOND

J FERRIER WAS ACTUALLY "CUSTODIAN" OF LACHLANS ESTATE AND CHILDREN . MEANING THAT J FERREIR ALONE COULD HAVE SIGNED OVER LACHLANS ARMS AS LACHLANS SON WAS NOT "OF AGE" AND UNDER FULL AND COMPLETE COMMAND OF J FERRIER.

ALSO HAS TO BE NOTED THAT SIMON MACTAVISH ARRANGED AND PAID FOR YOUNG DUGALDS APPRENTICESHIP TO J FERRIER .

FERRIER AND SONS LAW FIRM WERE ACTUALLY THE SLTRS FOR THE DUKE OF ARGYLLE IN 1812

AND......WORKING IN THE LAW FIRM OF FERIER AND SONS IN 1812....

AS APPRENTICE LAW STUDENT .....

WAS NONE OTHER THAN........

LACHLANS SON AND HEIR DUGALD MACTAVISH...

DUGALD GRADUATED IN 1813..

SO WHEN THIS DOCUMENT IS PREPARED BY DUKE OF ARGYLLE AND FERRIER AND LACHLANS HEIR WITNESSED THIS ALL IN 1812...

WHEN WE SEE THIS DOCUMENT NOW STATE THAT DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THAT CONFIRM THE ARMS AND TITLES OF LACHLAN MACTAVISH ARE NOW IN THE SIMON MACTAVISH FAMILY...

WE HAVE THE CONFIRMATION.

JUST TO STATE AGAIN...THE WORDING "ARMIGER OF DUNARDRY' AS APPLIED TO SIMON AND SON ...

FOR THOSE WHO HAVE CONFUSION....

"ARMIGER" MEANS THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BEAR AND INHERIT THE LEGAL ARMS AND TITLES OF ANOTHER .."THE HERALDIC BEARINGS" IN FACT...

ITS BEEN RECENTLY SUGGESTED THAT SIMON MACTAVISH ONLY HELD THE RIGHT TO USE LACHLANS "OF DUNARDRY" DESIGNATION....

A GOOD THOUGHT ...BUT NOT BACKED BY ANY OUNCE OF LEGAL OR FACTUAL DOCUMENTS..

IN ORDER FOR THIS VERY UNUSUAL EVENT TO OCCUR ...THE FAMOUS AND PRESTIGOUS SLTR JAMES FERRIER WOULD HAVE LEGALLY BEEN BOUND TO INSTEAD STATE THAT SIMON MACTAVISH "NOW HELD THE RIGHTS TO USE LACHLANS TERRITORIAL DESIGNATION OF DUNARDRY ONLY ".

THEN FERRIER WOULD LEGALLY BE BOUND TO ALSO STATE LEGALLY WITHIN THE SAME DOCUMENT THAT ALTHO LACHLANS FAMILY HAD GIVEN AWAY THEIR NAME "OF DUNARDRY" THEY STILL RETAINED THE RIGHT TO BE CHIEF...AND LACHLAN GAVE AWAY THE "HERALDIC ARMS OF DUNARDRY AS WELL" ...DOESNT LEAVE LACHLANS FAMILY WITH MUCH AT ALL DOES IT...

JUST HOW IN THE HELL WOULD THAT WORK IN SCOTLAND EH.?

A CHIEFLY FAMILY WITH NO NAME...

WITH THEIR LANDS NOW IN SIMONS HANDS .

WITH SIMON ABLE TO STYLE HIMSLEF WITH THE CHIELFY TITLE .

MEANING LACHLANS SON WAS NOW SIMPLY LACHLAN MACTAVISH .WITH NO LANDS NOR TITLES NOR ARMS ...YET STILL CHIEF....?????

IMPOSSIBLE.....

SHOW ME ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN SCOTS HISTORY WHERE A

CHIEF SOLD AWAY HIS LANDS ,

GAVE AWAY HIS NAME

AND HIS ARMS (NOT TO ANY OTHER PERSON BUT ANOTHER MACTAVISH CLANSMEN OF CHIEFLY BLOOD )

REMEMBER THIS FACT COS YOU MAY FIND EXAMPLES OF A CHIEFLY FAMILY SELLING LANDS OFF TO ANOTHER CLAN ...BUT SIMON WAS CHIEFLY BLOOD ...THIS CREATES AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SET OF FACTORS NOW DOESNT IT ,.

AND LEAVES NO POS OF POOR LACHLANS FAMILY RETAINING THE CHIEFSHIP .

LET ALONE SIMONS WILL OF 1804 THAT STATES HIS LANDS AND TITLES OF DUNARDRY ARE TO NEVER LEAVE HIS FAMILY....

WHICH MEANS THEY ARE NEVER TO RETURN TO LACHLANS FAMILY...

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Factually And Fairly Written Migsy